- We have a feisty relationship, due to that we have great communication, call it arguing if you want, its more like rough verbal play. He has taught me to have thicker skin. I have helped him be more considerate. We deeply love each other though. Best financial match ever. Passion in bed even after many years.
This is a relationship that requires work, patience and a lot of respect on both sides. Like Aries with Virgo, earth meets fire in this relationship. Specifically, the cardinal fire of Aries meets with the fixed earth sign of Taurus and this can create conflict between the pair over time.
What You Will Learn:
Experts Discuss This Couple:
Melissa: Slower moving Bull easily bores the Ram, but Taurus can tame Aries sensual needs.
Celia: You like excitement. The Bull’s placid nature will have you tearing your hair out sometimes, but it’s wonderfully reassuring and safe.
Jenn: The two of you compliment each other’s strengths and weaknesses nicely. Your optimism and confidence should help the Taurus see things in a brand new light while the steadiness and determination of the Taurus may just make you want to settle down a little more. When these two optimists meet, the right attitude about the relationship will keep them together.
Lidia: This can be an incredibly close bond, as Taurus men love to spoil and show off to their women, so you should be in for a loving and romantic time! Taurus and Aries are very compatible when it comes to sex and the two of you will have many wild times if you keep telling each other how much in love you are. Taurus has a few insecurities in love and this requires a lot of reassurance.
Jealous and possessiveness will cause issues in your relationship, but you can rise above them by bringing more variety and excitement into your bed. The most difficult obstacle has to be the stubbornness you both suffer from. Aries need to learn not to be so independent and Taurus must wake up and see how smothering their need for security can be. If you try to have frequent discussions about these types of problems, you will be able to get to the bottom of them before they fire up too much.
Laura: Aries will want to be the boss in this relationship and in most cases Taurus will not mind. Taurus is usually easygoing and more concerned with personal pleasures, or acquiring wealth, rather than leading the way. Aries is more than willing to help Taurus spend that hard earned cash. In exchange for sharing the wealth, Aries will make sure that Taurus the bull is never bored.
Tracy: A laid-back and logical Taurus partner may irritate the fun-loving Aries who can feel stifled if not kept busy. This relationship may work if Taurus can calm Aries though it is probable the clash of personalities will lead to fiery arguments.
Keley: This duo can work, provided that Taurus tries to make things interesting for Aries. Taurus will definitely appreciate the success and security that Aries can provide.
Marcus: Taurus tends to be a bit possessive and this may not sit well with the free-hearted Aries. Aries like to get involved in many things while, on the most part, Taurus is happy staying at home. Taurus is a saver and Aries is a spender. If both can reach a happy medium, this could be a strong dependable relationship, but it will take work.
David: The feisty Ram is motivated quick to action; the stubborn Bull won’t be moved before the time is right. The differences in style and tempo can drive both partners up a wall.
Taurus Man and Aries Woman
A Taurus man is a person with a clear and practical attitude and looks for the solid reasons instead of getting involved in emotional and sentimental things. He has brains and his intellect and wisdom make him appealing. Will power and determination are the traits of Taurus man. With an Aries woman, the Taurus man feels being loved and protected. She is always there to face all his problems with him. Aries woman is loved by her and this gives her the inner peace of heart. Both the members of the couple should give each other the love to make them feel that they are being valued.
Taurus Man Aries Woman Real Life Stories
Terry
My Taurus man loves me to death. He is so stable and predictable. I love this about him because it keeps be grounded but I want’t ready for it so I ended it. I still feel like I need his security in my life. He was the most faithful man I ever met. I needed more of a spark! I want something a little more unpredictable. I’m spontaneous yet I don’t mind a little planning. I want more romance. I feel like teaching someone to be a romantic is something you can never do. It has to come naturally for it to be real. I love him, but not as much as he loves me which is why I had to end it. I want to be so in love with one another that I never question leaving my man. I want someone who loves me just as much as I love them. I want something a little more thrilling yet predictable at the same time. My Taurus man was bland in bed and I needed more kisses. Him and I never made out which was weird. Is it weird that Taurus men typically are attracted to me? A few have asked me out.
Sarah D.
My Taurus man and I started our relationship nearly 4 years ago. I can’t say we’ve been together that long because we had an off period (brought about by long bouts of long distance and lack of communication). But through everything I have found that I would prefer no one more as my life partner. One of the great things about my Taurus is that he LOVES to surprise me, show me new things, and take me on spontaneous and creative dates- he always keeps me excited and feeling like we can do anything and go anywhere, that there are no limits for us. And on the flip-side, he so strongly values the comfort of his home that I find as much joy and pleasure staying in with him. As the Ram and the Bull, we can butt heads and lock in, being stubborn but we are more yielding the older we grow together. But when we share the same perspective, we go full charge together side by side. There is also a physical energy between us that is beyond sexual. It is at once healing and electrifying. I intend to keep this going.
Rick H.
I have never been more stimulated by a woman. I enjoy her social muster, and her hectic behavior. What I dislike is her need to pick at her outward appearance. But I love her heavily just the same. I would even call it radical. When she freaks out. I just smile and remind her of good times we have shared and explain how much I adore her. Never once after has she continued to freak out. Then once I have noticed that she is good. I explain to her how we are ok. And we will take care of what ever we need to take care of because of who we are.
Aries Man Taurus Woman
Taurus women are found to be sensible and they will normally take time to plan before reacting to anything. On the other hand, Aries men are quite hasty and will not plan anything. He will react without thinking anything. It is because of this reason they need to work hard on building the understanding between them when in a relationship. The nature of Taurus women is found to be generous as compared to those Aries men who are found to be stingy. The women look forward to work hard in preventing their partners from making quick and impulsive decisions. The Taurus women will work on both the romance and the security when in relationship with Aries men.
Aries Man Taurus Woman Real Life Stories
Shannon C
My Aries, is a wonderful man, he makes me think in such different ways. While he can frustrate me to the highest level, the experience is so magnetic and challenging. I love a challenge in my life and he is surly that. My feelings for him are so strong, I feel like I love him, but I have only known him for 3mos. There are some unique elements to our friendship, I am still legally married and he is divorced and celibate. He is committed to not having sex until he gets married. I think that is a bit much, however we both love the lord and if that’s conviction, I’m willing to abided by it. Now currently, I have requested that we not communicate because he is struggling with how GOD would view him if he continues his feelings for me. So, because I am so concrete (black or white) I can’t just be friends as I like him so much and I care about his convictions and wellbeing. I will admit to being stubborn, spoiled and impatient. But this experience is so intriguing, I want more! help
Ryan S.
Well how do I say this … I’m 26 (Aries) she is 23(Taurus ) and boy do we have our ups and downs she can be a match made in heaven then turn around an be the worst pick of a girlfriend even … She is to much at times don’t know how to say things and thinks she does nothing wrong she also irritates me and gets on all my nerves I think she is childish at times, but that’s my girl I pray we stay together this time because so not always bad but when she is I feel like walking but when she is good everything can be great that’s the problem between us you can’t just walk away because you reflect on those great times … I hate her but I strongly love her so yes I would make this crazy woman my wife she means the world to me Im a true ARIES yes I love to have my way and be the leader but what’s a great leader if you don’t have that strong one by your side hopefully my few worlds can help a Aries Taurus relationship out because urs going to be about communication trust the arguing it there
Adriane R
Balance as relationship can be. I respect her desire for security and her need for stability she respects my outgoing personality and need for independence. We both see each other as equal. When we argue we both will stick to our opinion to the very end and both are strong willed. Although it very hard to get her to do something or change I tend to change her mind for the most part even tho it takes too much effort and a lot of energy. She tries to stimulate my hot head temper and balance out my risk taking attitude and I make her more outgoing and make decisions faster. Trust and security are key in the relationship. Making her feel wanted and secure is very important to her although she can jealous and possessive. At times I become impatient and lose my cool when she approaches me with her know it all attitude, opinionated comments, and her inability to make quick decisions but we end up working out in the end and we’re a good match for each other and we love each other to the very end.
Aries and Taurus Friendship
An impulsive arian in the company of a more thoughtful bull can be a very good basis for friendship.
The Aries can be quite confrontational and overactive when it comes to a friendship, whereas the Taurus can be quite tranquil and accommodating. That over activity brought on by the Aries can cause the Taurus to be overwhelmed. This would be due to the fact that the Taurus is quite conservative.
The Friendship compatibility between these two is of a medium level.
Taurus and Aries Relationship
As Lovers:
You will have to work at thinking of what the other wants in order for this to be it’s best.
long term relationship:
Provided you know each others boundaries your long term future looks good.
Short-term relationship:
If you both like going to the same events or watching the same type of film you will get off to a great start.
Aries and Taurus Sex
Because one of you likes fast impulsive passion and the other wants slower and more meaningful contact you will both have to compromise. This said, if you get it right it will blow your mind.
The calmness and sensuality that the Taurus brings to the Aries, and the Aries bringing fire and the passion to the Taurus, causes this combination in the bedroom to be completely on fire. There’s not too many combinations in the Zodiac that can match this couple in the bedroom. They enjoy loving each other passionately, and from the very beginning they understand each other completely when it comes to their sexuality.
The sexual compatibility between these two is pretty high
Aries Compatibility with Taurus Overall Score:
overall score 65%
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69 thoughts on “Aries and Taurus – Compatibility in Sex, Love and Friendship”
Beautiful as long as u can agree to disagrees. Remember both signs have horns
Idk about Taurus men, but my Taurus GF was a psycho i loved her, but it was jus to much sometimes
No. My Taurus was selfish, stubborn and violent. I left mine 6 years ago. Because he assaulted me. Unfortunately my daughter is a Taurus too and she took after his character
what is with taurus men and that royalty attitude, this mysterious front when they dont want you to know something, nasty attitude but want to come to you after saying horrible things and act like they love more than an Aries??
Yeah they try to cut deep, but they don’t know that Aries are on a whole nother level of petty shit. Were not gonna say hurtful stuff, we’ll just tell you the truth lol
We’re 10+ yrs strong. It works if you are willing to give up on a few things here and there.
I tried once, but Taurus likes to take things slowly and it drove me up the walls ?
He was thinking whether or not he wanted a relationship and I was already 20 steps ahead (so I scared the fuck out of him)
And we were both stubborn as fuck.
If you have him, he keeps you. They’re very romantic and hold on to relationships. Unless you really did him wrong, the break up is a forever break up too. Their anger is impressive and they hold on to their grudges. So be careful with your own Aries temper. When you think you were just ventilating, he may not forgive you. Taurus likes to be cozy at home, Aries wants to go on adventures.
A positive trait is we like personal space and taurus needs time for themselves too.
I love Taurus and somehow have the best and worst experience with them
It is very difficult to maintain the same pace since both the personalities clash
And I still find Taurus as mysterious and cold creatures
Married a Taurus! Working out great going on 17 years. He knew up front it’s my world lol. He knows when to stay in his lane?
An Aries is stubborn, so is a Taurus..?? I don’t think that would end well, however I have a Taurus FRIEND and he is really cool, but isn’t keen on communication. So, as an Aries, I actually found the patience for him because He’s worth it…Aries need to turn their little to zero patience into somewhat patience, otherwise they will never get through to a Taurus.
I’m stuck. I’ve been dealing with a Taurus female for awhile now, super stubborn.moody cranky an down right mean.I’m so blessed to a 4/1 king that nothing she do overwhelms me or causes me to become upset,im just so ? cool an mild mannered ,that i can tell it eats at her because of my easy goin fun loving personality.i also have 5 female friends that are all Aries.an we all enjoy our super secret hangout time they all are so possessive of me. Im so topshelf.
I see the Aries/Taurus like this: Aries is stubborn:But we’re stubborn in that we will not give up..tenacious..we Ram our heads against the obstacle,trying to move it….The Taurus is stubborn in that they dig in their heels. They will stand there and not move,and they are stuck. They dig in their heels and there is no movement. They refuse to be moved.
I m with a Taurus 8 years she is stubborn Aries is more stubborn maybe that’s way we get on if we disagree water under the bridge move on love her to bits.
I’m happy with my amazing taurus man yes we do butt heads sometimes but our relationship is very strong.
For me idk what but I always attract Taurus maybe because they remind me of myself a lil … although the relationship never lasts that long they either become overly emotional,liars or control freaks and I’m not the ram to be controlled.
Amazing! They are bull headed but will bend for their Aries! My Taurus is absolutely a perfect fit for our family! Loyal, Sweet, and kind but firm! Don’t take their kindness for weakness because the last thing u wanna do is piss them off! My husband is quiet and observant but will bring the noise if need be!
Aries and taurus is FIREWORKS in and out of the bedroom… Passion rules the relationship. I loved the Taurus I was with. But he was a look at me look at me type. Anything for shock value. They have amazing hearts. Beautiful people. But the bullhead and wishy washy ways. He had a hard time committing. He was gorgeous and knew it. Best way I’ve always described it is Katy Perry’s Hot and Cold. We haven’t been together in 7 yrs and we are still very close. I’m the one he misses, and he checks up on me at least once a week. He still bends over backwards for me. I’m his only weakness.
it is honestly up to you and what your heart feels. I am with a Taurus male and it is honestly the best relationship I have ever had yes we both maybe stubborn but we learn how to work it out as we go we talk things out. It’s all how you connect with the person. Go with what your heart and mind tell you not what other people tell you cause we can’t choose who you date or fall in love with you have to be able to so that your self. Just some personal incite
My Taurus man was Possessive!!!! To the point of paranoia. I can’t, was accused of cheating, which I wasn’t doing at all, because he felt I was “too fucking friendly” on social media. Like I literally just post memes and talk shit and THAT made him think I was out with other guys. NEVER again.
My ex was a Taurus. It didn’t work out. He was manipulative and wasn’t willing to make me one of his priorities. Plus it’s hard getting them to open up, they’re very closed off when it comes to their feelings.
I love Taurus. Not in a relationship tho… They are very kind, good hearted, and a forever friend. They are just too stubborn and play with your emotions in a relationship. Best way to describe it is Katy Perry’s song hot and cold.
Great friends. Will lack passion after a while. Boring. Never admit when they are wrong and will never apologize
Sex is boring , is Aries are more about excitement where Taurus like passionate , but amazing compatibility
Im with a taurus, been together for 4 years. Let me just say.. When it’s good, It’s great. When it’s bad, it’s horrible. Yes.. they can be verbally abusive, mine is. He says some hurtful shit sometimes. But I know that’s just his way of making himself feel like a “Man” he trys to act like a hard ass, but he has a soft side too. You just have to work really hard to get him there. It’s rare. But I love mine, either way. I know I can say some mean shit too, so I can’t be a hypocrite. If you think you can handle it, go for it.
I WAS MARRIED to a taurus (as an aries) It was one of the most amazing experiences i could have ever had. she completely stabilized my energy and organized my life, and i have her the KICK she needed to move forward. UNDERSTANDING AND APPRECIATING THE DIFFERENCES IS KEY.
The best relationship I’ve ever had! ?? My wife is an Aries and I’m a Taurus. I was attracted to her fire and she was attracted to my earth. Like ALL relationships no matter the signs, communication and understanding is the key!
I’m with a Taurus 6 years, it is very difficult because we are both fighting for the leadership of the house, but the love is real and we manage it somehow…
I had a year long lovely relation with a Taurus woman
Sex was spontaneous and mostly brief filled with passion.
both grew out of it by year end
went our ways amicably without too much suffering or drama
Painful Pleasure wit a Taurus Woman, thts been my experience
Maybe the girl aries/guy Taurus works but I’ve had a tough time with a couple of different taurus women. But then again, every situation can be different. Godspeed, homie!
Aries woman diggin a Taurus male. Hell yes they work. Lots of patience I’m full of fire and passion he’s cool calm and collected with that dominate nature. Love it more then anything
It can work. But in my opinion Taurus men once in love they will do anything for you. And as we know Aries love a challenge. So it gets boring. But a Taurus man will provide you with stability.
Taurus is like a rock. While an Aries tends to float away.. A Tauruses discipline and ability to hold things down can help keep an aries grounded.. The right Aries, with the right Taurus.. I think it could work.
I was with a taurus for over 5 years loved him dearly we had a daughter still love him and even tho we’ve moved on and are with different people I still love him way more than my current
I’ve been with my husband for 4 years and counting. We’ve had our differences but I wouldn’t change a thing. You as an Aries has to keep an open mind and remember, us Aries are observant and we like to study people, well Taurus’ do too. Taurus’ are looking for someone who’s there thru thick and thin. Unconditionally. If you’re ready for it, then I wish you so much happiness.
I am an Aries woman and I’m with a Taurus woman and she is definitely the best thing in my life. We have been together for 5 years. She is totally my opposite, when I’m pissed and ready to hook and gut a pig bitch she is the one that will tell me I am being a hot headed cunt and I need to calm down and take a different approach. She is the calm to my storm. I guess it really depends on who you get with. Me and her have at least one major fight in the day *not all the time but most of the time* but we are so damn hard headed and stubborn that we do tend to butt heads, but once we are calmed down and actually talk about what we argued about then we usually find a resolution. I know fighting isn’t good but I appreciate our fights because when we come back to each other after it makes me feel better because it shows me that no matter what we will be there for each other.
Most narrow-minded, stubborn women I ever dealt with. Her reality is the only reality. All problems are because of me. Done as of a few days ago and I doubt I’ll ever deal with a Taurus woman again beside to have sex with…
I had to laugh at this because I’ve dated three Taurus men and said no more. Then out of no where I met another one and been with him for 3yrs so far and I’m in love. He’s nothing like the other three and he loves me. We have our stubborn moment’s but we are very chilled and the sex life OMG
I dated a Taurus for 2 yrs. He was kind, considerate, understanding and would do anything to make me happy. He also was stuck in his ways of not wanting do anything. He would hold things in and of course personal reasons that every relationship goes through. Overall I think it can be boring and you have to work hard to keep it going..they are very settled. Not really an aries pace. Good luck though
I was married to a Taurus, he was the worst man ever! Controlling, manipulative, abusive!!! A little on the evil side, mean as hell!!! Im not sure about all Taurus, but i dont think i could date another!
Aries are too much of a free spirit for Taurus to handle they are way possessive and controlling. Worst relationship of my life, manipulative and abusive put me off the sign altogether
My love is a Taurus and I an Aries…3 going on 4 years…have two babies together with children from our previous relationship …we balance each other out….everything 50/50… He works…I work…he cooks every night…he watches the kids when im at work. Very thoughtful….he thinks about bills and kids first…we are a sober home and been sober together and will be for life.
My best friend is a Taurus and we have a great relationship. 15 years and counting. We’ve cross the friend line many times and we are still strong
Every Taurus I’ve known friends family etc all have been sneaky, good with words fool most but have been just very dishonest… you cant fool an Aries though lol
I know an Aries that was married to a Taurus for several years. She(Taurus) handled all the bills and responsiveness. He was too irresponsible for her so they divorced when he was going thru his Uranus return.
I’m an Aries. My fiance, brother and best friend are all Taurus and we all get along great. Of course we butt heads but I’ve never met anyone as loyal as these three. I’m one lucky Aries lol
Pro and con. Depends on the how much effort you put in and accept. I was married to one who was a lazy ungrateful emotionally and mentally abusive excuse for a human being. It took some time to recover after the divorce. But guess what… after finally going back out in the dating world… I’m dating ANOTHER Taurus. And it’s AMAZING!! He’s the complete opposite. My BF is kind. Ultra supportive. Understanding and most of all stable ???? I’m thankful for him.
I’m totally in love with my Taurus. He is extremely supportive,loving and loyal. He can be a bit stubborn but that’s not an issue. He is the most passionate guy I’ve met. Loves to tease and hides in more than he shows
It depends on the person. I married a Taurus, he was a selfish asshole so I left now I’m with an amazing man who also happens to be a Taurus don’t judge someone based on their sign, you might miss out on that perfect person for you if you do.
I was married to a Taurus man the father of my kids! It didn’t work but only because I think both him and I weren’t ready to make it work. I think depending on where you are at in your life and by that I mean spiritual growth, it takes a lot of shifting personalities and characteristics to make that work!
Me and the bull I’m talking to get along amazing he grounds me when I get carried away with my blazing nature and we challenge each other mentally physically and sexually it’s amazing
Was with a Taurus for 9 years …….. Been divorced for 6 from him. He was my stability I have to admit and easy to talk to but a real jealous type and when I finally opened my eyes and sen him for what he really was I seen a jealous control freak that is a outrageous liar and a big cheat. Not worth the headache in the long run
No no no lol but seriously i mapped the taurus i knew my whole life thought it was love! Nope was trickery very manipulative lazy didn’t help me do anything around the house or with our children! Smart asses like us, stubborn, did nothing but fight if he weren’t sleeping like all the time!! Just all around worst decision ive ever made was marrying him! If it weren’t for my girls id regret it to the moon & back! Maybe was just my luck but… I personally will NEVER attempt a relationship with Taurus! I can not… Lol
Me and my Taurus are great, we are married. They are the most patient sign with us, in my opinion.. The battle comes when both egos are out.. You and your partner have to know when to hold them and when to fold them.. Other then that Taurus’s are amazing. They can teach you to not be so impulsive and you can teach them to be more aggressive in nature. It’s an exchange in powers.. You both just have to learn when to let one another win.. It honestly just depends on how understanding you are with one another, and how truthful you can be with one another without the worry of hurting someones feelings.
The Taurus I was involved with it was like a match made in heaven it can definitely work just depend on how much work each person is willing to put into it…. and if yall love each other then it can….. sadly he passed away I always felt like he was my soul mate
The love of my life was Taruas. Taruas are sensitive and very very jealous. Just like Aries never let them feel second best to anyone. Do not indulge when they overreact by overreacting. Someone must maintain a level head. Both are stubborn intellegent and wise and both can be impulsive. Both are very loving and loyal. Always be rational with one another. No lies. No secrets. Where aries is fire and runs into battle. The bull can be patience and destroy and Aries world. Keep an even balance between one another. Both signs thrive off of respect, love and balance. Both very much appreciate the finer things and want someone to notice what makes them unique. Equality is key here.
Yes im an aries an my husband is a taurus…we known each other for 23 yrs and married almost 2yrs…takes time an patience but its worth it in da end
I have known one Taurus. He was a good friend a good person to have a relationship. But his mind got mess up with other things in life. I cant keep getting hurt going back to him..
I’m and Aries and my kids father is a Taurus we’ve been together going on 4 years when its good its good but when its bad its bad if that makes sense
my girlfriend is a Taurus bitter sweet but that’s the only sign I dated that could handle me but are Temper’s get the best of us at times Taurus has a jealous side
4 years Wasted, but not all of them are the same we had good times and bad 2 beautiful children, but as soon as we got married everything went to hell, they are free spirits and if you try to tie them down they’ll push and push
I dated a Taurus for four years. They’re somewhat romantic, workaholics, freaks and stubborn ass fuck… most importantly, they’ll never forget you!!
Taurus suck!!! Run! Suck in bed.liars.big headed like no other! Annoying..wanna argue 24/7 n make you always at fault! Never again..I run from Taurus!
I’m an Aries with a Taurus known each other 7yrs been together for 4yrs. Defiently a challenge at times because us Aries can be impulsive. I absolutely love my Taurus defiently the opposites but it evens out.
Taurus man are romantic! They will open up with you! Can be a liar at times so yo can believe them .having a relationship with them is good! Depending on the man. They will spoil you. So they can get to you. …can be a cheater.you cant trust them.
I’ve been married to a Taurus for 22 yrs. He is a great provider, hardworking, caring, compassionate, selfless and affectionate at times. He’s never cheated. He’s very much into family. The only thing I don’t like is their inconsistency in general. He is my calm tho. Ohhh the sex is amazing.
First off, I think a relationship depends on the people in them. With that being said, the Taurus that I dated was amazingly mind blowing relationship. We did knock horns a few times but we knew each other astonishing well enough to know how far we could push each other with our tempers. We had a lot in common so that helped and we was like yang and ying…our relationship was very balanced.
am dating a Taurus man and yes we r compatible. he is an earth sign and hence a solid. it’s hard for them to easily adapt as compared to us. we fire signs are always in a hurry to I don’t know where.. we r leaders they follow. be patient and try to understand him. but also don’t allow him to be too slow Coz u may end up bored. communicate without making him bad or left out or simply not good enough.
I just separated from my Taurus man we never argued we were the exact opposites of each other he was introverted looked grumpy moved slowly, I was happy bubbley extraverted did everything fast. They are not very good at showing emotions, they show love in other ways by making you something, we are cuddley people who love to touch to kiss, they are space people, only times their emotions come into play is when their cranky even if not cranky with you, you will think they are we will remain good friends cause that’s what we were like good friends
im an aries and im with a taurus and it a bad combination but i been with him and have 2 kids and it can work but we both put each other through hell